Morning Joe Insists Trump Is ‘Genocidal,’ America Will Be ‘Villain’ #Political
In a continued meltdown after President Trump’s press conference and continuous Truth Social posts, Tuesday’s Morning Joe on MS NOW continuously claimed Trump was about to commit war crimes in Iran, except for newly signed MS NOW analyst John Kirby, who acted as a voice of reason as he put trust in military leaders instead. Even after Kirby’s moment, during the 9 a.m. hour, co-host Jonathan Lemire called Trump “genocidal” as guests Andrew Ross Sorkin and Eugene Robinson said the U.S. will become a villain.
Late in the program, host Jonathan Lemire accused the president of threats of genocide:
Let’s just repeat for a moment the President of the United States and his post this morning. That is threatening a war crime. That is threatening something genocidal if he follows through with this, and perhaps, perhaps it's just a bluff, perhaps it's a negotiating tactic (...)
Of course, 9 AM host Jonathan Lemire just a few hours later called Trump's statements "genocidal."
Lemire later compared Trump to Putin and Kim Jong Un, before the NYT's Peter Baker gave renewed praise to the months-old "illegal orders" video from Democrats. pic.twitter.com/zA3Wf0i1b8
— Nick (@nspin310) April 7, 2026
He then immediately compared Trump to global villains like Russia’s Vladimir Putin and North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.
Peter Baker of The New York Times decided to use the moment to praise the six lawmakers who made the infamous “illegal orders” video:
So this is what exactly those six Democratic members of Congress foreshadowed when they released that video a few months back, when they said that members of the military should remember that they are obligated under the law to not follow illegal orders (...)
CNBC's Andrew Ross Sorkin said the US could become the villain:
“I think there's a real question about whether you can go from being a - we can go from potentially being the victim of Iran to, depending on how this is executed, to being a villain.” pic.twitter.com/itWyO2Pw3r
— Nick (@nspin310) April 7, 2026
CNBC’s Sorkin and MS NOW analyst Robinson claimed the US had become the villain, as Sorkin said: “I think there's a real question about whether you can go from being a - we can go from potentially being the victim of Iran to, depending on how this is executed, to being a villain.”
At the end of the segment, Lemire added his “genocidal” line along with the U.S. as the “villain”, as he now claimed that's what he is hearing from “alarmed officials in Washington.
A former figure of Biden White House briefings, Kirby made his debut as an analyst earlier in the show.
One of the first questions posed to him was by Mike Barnicle, who asked if there was a “destruction” of Iran amid a conversation about infrastructure, “What do you think that does to the enhanced and legitimate reputation of our great United States Military?”
New MS NOW National Security Analyst John Kirby was the voice of reason on Tuesday's Morning Joe, as, amid cries of war crimes, he calmly said his "expectation" was the US Military would carry out targeted strikes on sites "used to support the IRGC" after the 8 pm deadline. pic.twitter.com/iJ4HSI6nMS
— Nick (@nspin310) April 7, 2026
Kirby then said strikes on civilian infrastructure with “no military use or purpose” would constitute war crimes, but, in one of the first moments of reason on MS NOW since the Trump presser, Kirby gave a reality check on what the military would actually do:
But, I really don't think - well, let me say my expectation is that the military leaders, General Kaine, Admiral Cooper, they know well those two conventions and they know well where the lines are in terms of international humanitarian law.
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And I suspect that if we see today or tonight, you know, additional bombing, you'll see justification from the Pentagon about why these targets were hit and what and how these targets were being used to support the IRGC or military uses by the regime.
A new trend began after October 7th, that every new war had represented an apparent genocide. If there was a want to not dilute the term, more of the unhinged at MS NOW should start to listen to their newly minted analyst, John Kirby.
The transcript is below. Click "expand":
MS NOW’s Morning Joe
April 7, 2026
7:16:12 AM Eastern
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MIKE BARNICLE: And, Admiral, let me ask you this. You've devoted most of your life to the service of this country in the United States Navy, and the possibility that what will happen tonight at 8:00 or might be going on right now is a precursor to 8 p.m. tonight, the destruction of power plants turning a country dark, the destruction of water facilities, turning a country desperately in need of water and unable to find water.
What do you think that does to the enhanced and legitimate reputation of our great United States military? In the spine of what America represents and has represented to the world for generations. What does that do potentially to our reputation?
JOHN KIRBY: If, in fact, we indiscriminately struck civilian infrastructure that had no military use or purpose, that would constitute war crimes under both The Hague and the Geneva Conventions, and certainly that would completely eradicate any credibility that the United States has in the world in terms of our leadership and our standing.
But, I really don't think - well, let me say my expectation is that the military leaders, General Kaine, Admiral Cooper, they know well those two conventions and they know well where the lines are in terms of international humanitarian law. And while the political leadership, Secretary Hegseth and the president can bluster all they want about obliterating targets and bombing them back into the stone ages, I'm convinced that the military leadership knows exactly how far they can go. And I suspect that if we see today or tonight, you know, additional bombing, you'll see justification from the Pentagon about why these targets were hit and what and how these targets were being used to support the IRGC or military uses by by the regime.
(...)
9:03:28 AM Eastern
JONATHAN LEMIRE: Let’s just repeat for a moment the President of the United States and his post this morning. That is threatening a war crime. That is threatening something genocidal if he follows through with this and perhaps, perhaps its just a bluff, perhaps it's a negotiating tactic, an 11th hour push to get the Iranians to the bargaining table. But even just issuing that threat from the Oval Office is a remarkable escalation, and something we have never before seen from any president of the United States.
With us, we have now MS NOW senior national security reporter David Rohde, chief White House correspondent for the New York Times, Peter Baker, contributing writer to The Atlantic, Eugene Robinson, and contributing opinion writer for the New York Times, Molly Jong-Fast. Our thanks to all of you for being with us this morning.
Peter Baker, start with you about the president's post this morning. And we know he is, you know, fond of over the top language. He is fond of fire and fury, threats and the like. But this, to me, is something entirely new. And even if it is, does prove to just be a bluff of some sort or a bargaining tactic. This is still a new place for a President of the United States.
This is the rhetoric we associate with people like Vladimir Putin, with people like Kim Jong Un, with the monsters of history. And yet we have heard it now from the sitting president.
PETER BAKER: Yeah, absolutely. Right. He's using the language of war crimes in a way that no other American president, certainly in our lifetime, ever has. I mean, America traditionally has tried to occupy the high ground when it comes to wars. Wars are fought only out of necessity, not out of spite or out of emotion or out of bombastity, And that presidents, when they talk about war, talk about achieving military objectives, talk about, you know, targeting military targets, not wiping out a civilization, wiping out a civilization is the language of war crimes.
And this is going to be, as you rightly say, it's - you never know with Trump, right? Obviously, this could be just him chest thumping. He likes to do that. He likes to shock. He likes to threaten. He likes to look tough. He's almost 80 years old. He wants to look like a tough guy. But you know, it's a real test, I think for the US military at this point because the us military is bound by law not to follow illegal orders, war crimes, if that's what he ends up ordering, would be illegal.
So, this is the this is what exactly those six Democratic members of Congress foreshadowed when they released that video a few months back, when they said that members of the military should remember that they are obligated under the law to not follow illegal orders, they got punished or tried to be punished by the Trump Administration for it. In fact, the Trump Administration tried to literally prosecute them and throw them in prison for stating, you know what the law says. And now, of course, that looks different in the context of what we're seeing today.
And the question is, what will the military actually do when push comes to shove?
LEMIRE: Peter Baker, you're so right to note that the military has an obligation not to follow illegal orders. These would seem like illegal orders. What will they do? Also, what will Republicans in Congress do? Where is the Senate? Where is the house? How can they stand for this?
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9:10:23 AM Eastern
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Look, I think that most people who are focused on oil prices right now think that if this happens tonight, you're looking at much higher oil prices and for a very long time. That's the fundamental issue here. And so you're seeing these comments from the president. I think there's a real question about whether you can go from being a we can go from potentially being the victim of Iran to, depending on how this is executed, to being a villain. And I think that's that's a real question in the in terms of not just the markets, but the sort of larger geopolitical question.
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9:15:20 AM Eastern
EUGENE ROBINSON: There are still lawyers in the Pentagon. And one wonders what they are telling the commanders and the Secretary of Defense right now that, no, we cannot wipe out or try to wipe out an entire civilization.
That is the very definition of a war crime. And it is hard to believe that the United States could actually do this, that - And make no mistake, the United States then does become the villain, period. It becomes the villain in the world.
LEMIRE: Yeah, the US would be the villain if this were to happen. It would be a war crime, genocidal. Again, words that I'm getting from alarmed officials in Washington if the president were to follow through.
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